Comment - Archaeological investigations in Chesterton will be a disappointment to some

Comment - Work starting on homes in Chesterton will be a disappointment to some

Comment - Work starting on homes in Chesterton will be a disappointment to some

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THE fact that archaeological investigations have begun on part of the site in Cirencester that has been earmarked for 2,500 new homes will come as a great disappointment to those who are opposed to the development.

However, even though investigatory work has started, it is not conclusive evidence that the development will go ahead.

An archaeological investigation is required by district planners due to the town’s considerable Roman history and is part of the vital planning application process.

Were significant discoveries to be made then the development would have to somehow work around them. Perhaps the plans would be abandoned altogether.

Many residents opposed to the development may be secretly keeping their fingers crossed that something substantial is uncovered in the archaeological investigation, to halt work and give them more time to stop the houses from ever being built.

Workers have already had to overcome one hurdle before the dig had properly begun. While excavating the trenches, they were concerned that they had discovered, and possibly disturbed, wildlife in the form of badgers or foxes.

Respectfully, those working on the site stopped what they were doing and investigated.

They soon discovered they were operating far enough away from any significant wildlife to not be a danger or a disturbance to the animals.

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6:52am Mon 25 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

People who want to hear important background information on the ways Cotswold District Council operate a 'chumocracy' when it comes to planning matters should listen to the explosive radio interview by investigative journalist Tony Gosling with anti-corruption Councillor Jenkins.

It is available on YouTube under the memorable heading 'Death & corruption in the Cotswold Water Park'.

It's worse than Sicily.
People who want to hear important background information on the ways Cotswold District Council operate a 'chumocracy' when it comes to planning matters should listen to the explosive radio interview by investigative journalist Tony Gosling with anti-corruption Councillor Jenkins. It is available on YouTube under the memorable heading 'Death & corruption in the Cotswold Water Park'. It's worse than Sicily. Olly Cromwell
  • Score: -1

10:37am Mon 25 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Without in any way commenting on the politics surrounding the planned 2500 new homes development south of Chesterton, the fact that the Bathurst Estate has commenced the archaeological dig clearly anticipates that the draft local plan containing these proposals and the outline planning application that will follow, will be approved by the Secretary of State for Local Government and Cotswold District Council respectively.
If it can then be demonstrated that there is a tacit, perhaps unwritten, understanding that this will be the outcome then the public consultation exercise will be flawed and the planning applications prejudiced as a result, requiring further enquiries to be made.
It is understood that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig and this (or excerpts of it) should be published for the public view and comment. Clearly no exploration work should have been carried out which anticipates planning consent.
Without in any way commenting on the politics surrounding the planned 2500 new homes development south of Chesterton, the fact that the Bathurst Estate has commenced the archaeological dig clearly anticipates that the draft local plan containing these proposals and the outline planning application that will follow, will be approved by the Secretary of State for Local Government and Cotswold District Council respectively. If it can then be demonstrated that there is a tacit, perhaps unwritten, understanding that this will be the outcome then the public consultation exercise will be flawed and the planning applications prejudiced as a result, requiring further enquiries to be made. It is understood that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig and this (or excerpts of it) should be published for the public view and comment. Clearly no exploration work should have been carried out which anticipates planning consent. GWS Observer
  • Score: 14

4:38pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Ciren_Resident says...

GWS Observer wrote:
Without in any way commenting on the politics surrounding the planned 2500 new homes development south of Chesterton, the fact that the Bathurst Estate has commenced the archaeological dig clearly anticipates that the draft local plan containing these proposals and the outline planning application that will follow, will be approved by the Secretary of State for Local Government and Cotswold District Council respectively.
If it can then be demonstrated that there is a tacit, perhaps unwritten, understanding that this will be the outcome then the public consultation exercise will be flawed and the planning applications prejudiced as a result, requiring further enquiries to be made.
It is understood that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig and this (or excerpts of it) should be published for the public view and comment. Clearly no exploration work should have been carried out which anticipates planning consent.
If GWS Observer is right that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig, then I sincerely hope the WGS intends to publish that letter in FULL at the earliest opportunity!
[quote][p][bold]GWS Observer[/bold] wrote: Without in any way commenting on the politics surrounding the planned 2500 new homes development south of Chesterton, the fact that the Bathurst Estate has commenced the archaeological dig clearly anticipates that the draft local plan containing these proposals and the outline planning application that will follow, will be approved by the Secretary of State for Local Government and Cotswold District Council respectively. If it can then be demonstrated that there is a tacit, perhaps unwritten, understanding that this will be the outcome then the public consultation exercise will be flawed and the planning applications prejudiced as a result, requiring further enquiries to be made. It is understood that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig and this (or excerpts of it) should be published for the public view and comment. Clearly no exploration work should have been carried out which anticipates planning consent.[/p][/quote]If GWS Observer is right that Earl Bathurst has written to the WGS to explain the archaeological dig, then I sincerely hope the WGS intends to publish that letter in FULL at the earliest opportunity! Ciren_Resident
  • Score: 12

5:28pm Mon 25 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Herewith a copy of the Earl Bathurst letter, forwarded by John Thompson and Partners acting on behalf of the Bathurst Estate, to the Wiltshire and Gloucestershire Standard. Whilst it cannot be taken for granted that the land proposed for development in the draft Local Plan will be approved, it will be seen that the letter clearly assumes this will be a rubber-stamping exercise in public consultation, leading to approval despite the strength of local objections. The land in question is of course prime farming land which lays outside Cirencester's development boundary - an argument used by Cotswold District Councillors to reject a planning application for 50 new homes to be built at Northleach, in a proposed development one fiftieth the size of the 2500 homes planned for Cirencester.

21st August 2014

Wilts and Glos Standard

Chesterton, Cirencester

Dear Sirs

I wish to correct the error contained in your front page article dated 21st August 2014 stating that work has officially started on building 2,500 homes at Chesterton Farm. This is categorically not true.

There is an archaeological survey being carried out to inform the Estate and Local Authority as to the suitability of this site for any future development proposals. This is purely survey work, most of which is on arable land, which due to its usual annual disturbance very rarely creates a home for badgers or foxes. This survey is being carried out by the Estate at its instigation and not by developers.

Those people that are concerned or interested in the planning process will know that it is not a foregone conclusion that this land will be included in the draft Local Plan. The land is seen as a suitable development site under the CDC’s proposed draft Local Plan which has a number of stages to go through before being finalised. This process includes consultation in December 2014 and following considerations and representations a proposed plan will be submitted to the Secretary of State for winter 2015 with the aim to adopt the Plan in summer 2016.

It is recognised both nationally and locally that housing is required and this land provides a potential location to meet an allocation of that demand. The Estate is being proactive in looking to meet some of that demand and will endeavour to ensure that the highest of standards are met, the legacy and benefits to Cirencester being a continuing major consideration.

The archaeological survey is being carried out to inform the Estate to what is below the surface so that any future proposed development or land use does not damage any unknown archaeology. Many of those involved will be fully aware that there is an Ancient Scheduled Monument on the site and it is around this area in particular that very careful attention is being paid; and further work is being carried out at the request of English Heritage outside the proposed area to give us a greater insight into the area’s history.

Yours faithfully

THE EARL BATHURST
Herewith a copy of the Earl Bathurst letter, forwarded by John Thompson and Partners acting on behalf of the Bathurst Estate, to the Wiltshire and Gloucestershire Standard. Whilst it cannot be taken for granted that the land proposed for development in the draft Local Plan will be approved, it will be seen that the letter clearly assumes this will be a rubber-stamping exercise in public consultation, leading to approval despite the strength of local objections. The land in question is of course prime farming land which lays outside Cirencester's development boundary - an argument used by Cotswold District Councillors to reject a planning application for 50 new homes to be built at Northleach, in a proposed development one fiftieth the size of the 2500 homes planned for Cirencester. 21st August 2014 Wilts and Glos Standard Chesterton, Cirencester Dear Sirs I wish to correct the error contained in your front page article dated 21st August 2014 stating that work has officially started on building 2,500 homes at Chesterton Farm. This is categorically not true. There is an archaeological survey being carried out to inform the Estate and Local Authority as to the suitability of this site for any future development proposals. This is purely survey work, most of which is on arable land, which due to its usual annual disturbance very rarely creates a home for badgers or foxes. This survey is being carried out by the Estate at its instigation and not by developers. Those people that are concerned or interested in the planning process will know that it is not a foregone conclusion that this land will be included in the draft Local Plan. The land is seen as a suitable development site under the CDC’s proposed draft Local Plan which has a number of stages to go through before being finalised. This process includes consultation in December 2014 and following considerations and representations a proposed plan will be submitted to the Secretary of State for winter 2015 with the aim to adopt the Plan in summer 2016. It is recognised both nationally and locally that housing is required and this land provides a potential location to meet an allocation of that demand. The Estate is being proactive in looking to meet some of that demand and will endeavour to ensure that the highest of standards are met, the legacy and benefits to Cirencester being a continuing major consideration. The archaeological survey is being carried out to inform the Estate to what is below the surface so that any future proposed development or land use does not damage any unknown archaeology. Many of those involved will be fully aware that there is an Ancient Scheduled Monument on the site and it is around this area in particular that very careful attention is being paid; and further work is being carried out at the request of English Heritage outside the proposed area to give us a greater insight into the area’s history. Yours faithfully THE EARL BATHURST GWS Observer
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

The President of Cirencester's Conservative Association (the Earl Bathurst) has forgot to mention the rumoured £220 million he'll rake in for appearing 'philanthropic' in helping Tory-led CDC find land for meeting District wide housing shortfall.

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The President of Cirencester's Conservative Association (the Earl Bathurst) has forgot to mention the rumoured £220 million he'll rake in for appearing 'philanthropic' in helping Tory-led CDC find land for meeting District wide housing shortfall. . Olly Cromwell
  • Score: 0

8:20pm Mon 25 Aug 14

safetyaware says...

I trust all those commenting in these columns take the time and make the effort to make official comment to the Local Plan consultation later this year. This should then make CDC think again. If there is sufficient objection which is then ignored, we will have grounds to seek official enquiry as to why! In the mean time, perhaps we should reduce the speculation and political back stabbing and stick to the facts.
I trust all those commenting in these columns take the time and make the effort to make official comment to the Local Plan consultation later this year. This should then make CDC think again. If there is sufficient objection which is then ignored, we will have grounds to seek official enquiry as to why! In the mean time, perhaps we should reduce the speculation and political back stabbing and stick to the facts. safetyaware
  • Score: 8

8:41pm Mon 25 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Facts and evidence are at the heart of this so, yes, a substantive submission will be made during the consultation stages of the draft Local Plan.
Facts and evidence are at the heart of this so, yes, a substantive submission will be made during the consultation stages of the draft Local Plan. GWS Observer
  • Score: 7

10:23pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Col Mustard says...

Public consultation, Official enquires, open forum discussions etc etc etc... It will all be ignored and passed by CDC . All the power lies with the planning department. Forget the Cllrs they by and large do as they are told. House builders do what they want and get what they want !

Redrow have built a load of houses in South Cerney and are planning a load more and they have built them with the wrong roofs !!!!!!! .. Does anyone seriously believe CDC are going to bounce the retrospective planning permission ? No it will get passed and get Redrow off the hook having flogged houses to punters that don't comply with planning permission? Is that not illegal CDC ???

You can read the email from Redrow to CDC planning at the link below and planning ref 14/03096/FUL ....Its all very chummy and its a complete shambles and cover up yet again ..... remember the Waterparkgate?

Come on WGS why have you not picked up on this..?


http://www.idox.cots
wold.gov.uk/WAM14/do
c/Applicant/Agent%20
Correspondence-73674
3.pdf?extension=.pdf
&id=736743&appid=&lo
cation=VOLUME1&conte
ntType=application/p
df&pageCount=1
Public consultation, Official enquires, open forum discussions etc etc etc... It will all be ignored and passed by CDC . All the power lies with the planning department. Forget the Cllrs they by and large do as they are told. House builders do what they want and get what they want ! Redrow have built a load of houses in South Cerney and are planning a load more and they have built them with the wrong roofs !!!!!!! .. Does anyone seriously believe CDC are going to bounce the retrospective planning permission ? No it will get passed and get Redrow off the hook having flogged houses to punters that don't comply with planning permission? Is that not illegal CDC ??? You can read the email from Redrow to CDC planning at the link below and planning ref 14/03096/FUL ....Its all very chummy and its a complete shambles and cover up yet again ..... remember the Waterparkgate? Come on WGS why have you not picked up on this..? http://www.idox.cots wold.gov.uk/WAM14/do c/Applicant/Agent%20 Correspondence-73674 3.pdf?extension=.pdf &id=736743&appid=&lo cation=VOLUME1&conte ntType=application/p df&pageCount=1 Col Mustard
  • Score: 0

11:24pm Mon 25 Aug 14

safetyaware says...

Has anyone objected to the retrospective planning application? Has anyone informed the WGS and asked them to investigate? Have you complained to your councillor? Keep the pressure on!
Has anyone objected to the retrospective planning application? Has anyone informed the WGS and asked them to investigate? Have you complained to your councillor? Keep the pressure on! safetyaware
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Susie Clark says...

What retrospective planning application is this, Col.Mustard ( why do people use such stupid names ) . You don't need planning permission to dig in your own garden or to plant potatoes in your own field, so why do you need planning permission for an archaeological dig if it's your own land.
As for Olly Cromwell's comments about conspiracy, would he like to come out and say exactly what he thinks is happening - no, I thought not. Just another of the Lib Dem innuendos taken from the Lord Rennard campaign book - a fine example he is !
What retrospective planning application is this, Col.Mustard ( why do people use such stupid names ) . You don't need planning permission to dig in your own garden or to plant potatoes in your own field, so why do you need planning permission for an archaeological dig if it's your own land. As for Olly Cromwell's comments about conspiracy, would he like to come out and say exactly what he thinks is happening - no, I thought not. Just another of the Lib Dem innuendos taken from the Lord Rennard campaign book - a fine example he is ! Susie Clark
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Pentheus says...

Dear Ms Clark had you read the comment correctly the retrospective planning application relates to a massive **** up by Redrow Homes who have built houses with the wrong materials used in the construction of the buildings... I think the point Col Mustard is making is how can CDC have allowed a) the unauthorised building to take place b) and will the application be simply approved without an inquiry being made.....

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the term "retrospective planning". If you follow this link it will assist your lack of knowledge.

http://planningguida
nce.planningportal.g
ov.uk/blog/guidance/
ensuring-effective-e
nforcement/retrospec
tive-planning-applic
ation/

By the way WGS are you looking into to this Redrow/CDC issue at South Cerney as it sounds rather odious ?
Dear Ms Clark had you read the comment correctly the retrospective planning application relates to a massive **** up by Redrow Homes who have built houses with the wrong materials used in the construction of the buildings... I think the point Col Mustard is making is how can CDC have allowed a) the unauthorised building to take place b) and will the application be simply approved without an inquiry being made..... Clearly you are unfamiliar with the term "retrospective planning". If you follow this link it will assist your lack of knowledge. http://planningguida nce.planningportal.g ov.uk/blog/guidance/ ensuring-effective-e nforcement/retrospec tive-planning-applic ation/ By the way WGS are you looking into to this Redrow/CDC issue at South Cerney as it sounds rather odious ? Pentheus
  • Score: 0

9:15pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Pentheus says...

Dear Ms Clark had you read the comment correctly the retrospective planning application relates to a massive **** up by Redrow Homes who have built houses with the wrong materials used in the construction of the buildings... I think the point Col Mustard is making is how can CDC have allowed a) the unauthorised building to take place b) and will the application be simply approved without an inquiry being made.....

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the term "retrospective planning". If you follow this link it will assist your lack of knowledge.

http://planningguida
nce.planningportal.g
ov.uk/blog/guidance/
ensuring-effective-e
nforcement/retrospec
tive-planning-applic
ation/

By the way WGS are you looking into to this Redrow/CDC issue at South Cerney as it sounds rather odious ?
Dear Ms Clark had you read the comment correctly the retrospective planning application relates to a massive **** up by Redrow Homes who have built houses with the wrong materials used in the construction of the buildings... I think the point Col Mustard is making is how can CDC have allowed a) the unauthorised building to take place b) and will the application be simply approved without an inquiry being made..... Clearly you are unfamiliar with the term "retrospective planning". If you follow this link it will assist your lack of knowledge. http://planningguida nce.planningportal.g ov.uk/blog/guidance/ ensuring-effective-e nforcement/retrospec tive-planning-applic ation/ By the way WGS are you looking into to this Redrow/CDC issue at South Cerney as it sounds rather odious ? Pentheus
  • Score: -1

2:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Susie Clark.. Please stop with all your lib dem ramblings.. It is boring and pointless, change the record.. As soon as anyone mentions anything you disagree with, you accuse them of being a lib dem.. Stop!!!
Susie Clark.. Please stop with all your lib dem ramblings.. It is boring and pointless, change the record.. As soon as anyone mentions anything you disagree with, you accuse them of being a lib dem.. Stop!!! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 2

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