Residents push for lower speed limit on Cirencester roads

Richard Holmes, Barrie Mills, Joanna Walker and son Peter, 6, Joe Harris and Paul Hodgkinson who are calling for speed restrictions on the Cirencester ring road (8615994)

Richard Holmes, Barrie Mills, Joanna Walker and son Peter, 6, Joe Harris and Paul Hodgkinson who are calling for speed restrictions on the Cirencester ring road (8615994)

First published in News Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

DRIVERS around Cirencester are being encouraged to slow down as residents begin a campaign to cut the speed limit on the town’s ring road by almost half.

Chesterton resident Barrie Mills, 73, wrote to Mayor of Cirencester Councillor Joe Harris asking how speed could be tackled in the town.

“There had been at least two serious accidents along the Tetbury Road and even a fatality in the last few years,” said Mr Mills. “My main concern is trying to join a roundabout when traffic is flying around it at top speed.”

“I firmly believe that a much lower speed limit should be introduced and I believe that it could be achieved at fairly limited expense, as it should only involve changing a small number of speed restriction signs.”

Cllr Harris has now joined forces with Gloucestershire County Cllr Paul Hodgkinson to deal with the issue.

They both agree that the current 70mph speed limit on the ring road, which connects all the main roundabouts in the town, should be reduced to 40mph.

“If we can just get traffic moving slower then it will flow better,” said Cllr Harris.

He added that if the traffic was slower, the town council would be able to cut back the verges and hedges on the road and roundabouts, saving around £10,000 a year.

“If traffic was slower we would not have to block off the roads before trimming the verges because it is not as dangerous,” he said.

Cllr Hodgkinson said he was going to bring up the issue of road safety in Cirencester at the September meeting of Gloucestershire County Council.

“The Cotswolds have the most dangerous roads in the whole of the county,” he said.

“This area is an accident blackspot.”

Richard Holmes also lives in the town but is more concerned about how the current high speed limit may affect the amphitheatre masterplan.

The Roman amphitheatre, situated next to Cirencester Hospital, will soon be undergoing a transformation.

Cirencester Town Council and group Aqiva, of which Richard is a part, are working hard to make the area more accessible to visitors and also more interesting culturally, environmentally and historically.

“The concern is that the access point into the amphitheatre from town is a big problem with the speed of cars on the dual carriageway,” said Richard.

“Plus it means that fast traffic might impact on the quiet, peaceful enjoyment of the new amphitheatre.”

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9:46am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

This is an old story that had numerous readers comments that have now disappeared? Nice work WGS.
This is an old story that had numerous readers comments that have now disappeared? Nice work WGS. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 6

12:48pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Its not necessarily about lower speed limits surely....its about making Cirencester's roads and footpaths safer. There are many factors and measures to be considered before we simply impose lower speed limits on our roads. We also need to look at why people continue to put their own lives, as well as those of drivers and their passengers, at risk, when they continually attempt to cross our ring-road and roundabouts at unrealistic and unsafe crossing points.

Lets not forget to look at the wider picture, before we start pointing the inevitable finger at the car driver to blame for all of these problems. Plus surely we need to also now consider, future developments and the long term growth of the town, and the ongoing desire to increasing the town's housing numbers.

Lets also remember that we are currently seeing major road improvement works on the London Road and roundabout, so surely we will soon be seeing similar efforts being focused on the Tetbury Hill Road roundabout, which has been a major headache for years for residents and all road users, and which will soon be blessed with, shall we say 4,000 additional cars accessing the roundabout, when the new Chesterton Farm housing development is completed.

Clearly it is not as simply as just lowering speed limits
Its not necessarily about lower speed limits surely....its about making Cirencester's roads and footpaths safer. There are many factors and measures to be considered before we simply impose lower speed limits on our roads. We also need to look at why people continue to put their own lives, as well as those of drivers and their passengers, at risk, when they continually attempt to cross our ring-road and roundabouts at unrealistic and unsafe crossing points. Lets not forget to look at the wider picture, before we start pointing the inevitable finger at the car driver to blame for all of these problems. Plus surely we need to also now consider, future developments and the long term growth of the town, and the ongoing desire to increasing the town's housing numbers. Lets also remember that we are currently seeing major road improvement works on the London Road and roundabout, so surely we will soon be seeing similar efforts being focused on the Tetbury Hill Road roundabout, which has been a major headache for years for residents and all road users, and which will soon be blessed with, shall we say 4,000 additional cars accessing the roundabout, when the new Chesterton Farm housing development is completed. Clearly it is not as simply as just lowering speed limits Geoff66
  • Score: 9

4:59pm Wed 13 Aug 14

corin22 says...

I think Cllr Hodgkinson seems to have a fixation about speed, he should realize its the driver not the car that causes accidents, also people being sensible when crossing roads. Making the elderly re-test at 75yrs would help a lot, especially with roundabouts ! Plus bad road conditions distract drivers, having to negotiate potholes ect, especially bad is the manhole covers on the Cheltenham road up past the shop. Accidents will happen whatever the speed, fix the roads, train the drivers.
I think Cllr Hodgkinson seems to have a fixation about speed, he should realize its the driver not the car that causes accidents, also people being sensible when crossing roads. Making the elderly re-test at 75yrs would help a lot, especially with roundabouts ! Plus bad road conditions distract drivers, having to negotiate potholes ect, especially bad is the manhole covers on the Cheltenham road up past the shop. Accidents will happen whatever the speed, fix the roads, train the drivers. corin22
  • Score: 4

5:03pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Anyone know why CTC are looking at locating car parks for their proposed revamp of the Cirencester Amphitheatre off the only entrance to the hospital?

Just what Ambulances will need when they are bringing in emergencies..... madness
Anyone know why CTC are looking at locating car parks for their proposed revamp of the Cirencester Amphitheatre off the only entrance to the hospital? Just what Ambulances will need when they are bringing in emergencies..... madness Geoff66
  • Score: 8

1:02pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Claire.M says...

So is this connected to the launch last week of the Wilts & Glos Standard's own campaign to reduce speed limits in the Cotswolds? I predicted on these comments pages at the time that this would 'conveniently' provide a platform for the likes of Hodgkinson and Harris to gain extra media coverage - and a week later, there we have it! Some local people have been brought on board ("residents begin a campaign to cut the speed limit on the town’s ring road") to make us think it is generally the 'will' of the people of Cirencester to reduce the speed limit on the ring road. But, as has been set out very well by contributors like Geoff66, there are many factors to consider in making our roads safer - this idea that reducing speed limits will automatically solve the problem is overly simplistic. There was a lot of relevant discussion about this issue on these comments pages last week but as Jessica Rabbit says, these now seem to have disappeared. Here we go again!
So is this connected to the launch last week of the Wilts & Glos Standard's own campaign to reduce speed limits in the Cotswolds? I predicted on these comments pages at the time that this would 'conveniently' provide a platform for the likes of Hodgkinson and Harris to gain extra media coverage - and a week later, there we have it! Some local people have been brought on board ("residents begin a campaign to cut the speed limit on the town’s ring road") to make us think it is generally the 'will' of the people of Cirencester to reduce the speed limit on the ring road. But, as has been set out very well by contributors like Geoff66, there are many factors to consider in making our roads safer - this idea that reducing speed limits will automatically solve the problem is overly simplistic. There was a lot of relevant discussion about this issue on these comments pages last week but as Jessica Rabbit says, these now seem to have disappeared. Here we go again! Claire.M
  • Score: 8

3:39pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Just to add to my previous comment.... if you are looking at the town's bypass and road safety issues, then shouldn't someone consider asking an important, and perhaps vital question about this road

Why is there no central lane safety barrier between the Tesco's roundabout all the way up to the Tetbury road roundabout, and why is there no road lighting provided between the Fire Station roundabout and the Waitrose Roundabout. ....surely this is sheer madness!!

As simply providing these measures, will help improve the safety of all those using the bypass, as well as perhaps starting to provide a bit of a deterrent to stop people from trying to cross the bypass at unrealistic and unsafe crossing points.

We should also be asking, why is there no pedestrian barrier installed all the way up the Tetbury Hill, on both sides of the bypass? Surely this is needed and essential to protect those walking along these footpaths, yet alone all the children using this footpath everyday in order to get to and from school?? .....again the failure to provide this is the very first place was sheer madness!!

In addition, why is which ever council responsible for cutting back the trees, shrubs and overgrowth on both sides of this road, not doing there job properly, and as a result of this, causing both obstructions and dangerously narrowing of these footpaths? .... clearly a fairly easy measure to be resolved!!


Finally another important factor must be resolved and addressed, shouldn't we be asking our planners and Highway Department what on earth they are doing allowing major new accesses on to our bypass and it's roundabouts. A bypass is supposed to support the free flow of traffic around a built up area. So why are we now placing entry routes on to these bypasses, which are creating greater risks for those using these roads, yet alone impacting negatively on the free flow of traffic, especially at peak times???

(Mmm lets see, we now have the Kingshill Meadow estate, Tescos and the new Aldi site, talk of a potential development site where the Truck stop/Greasy Joes was, yet alone the hospital entrance and now talk of the new Amphitheatre revamp plans which will create new on-site parking, and lets not forget the Tetbury Road business park......all of these entrances have created greater risk factors on the town's bypass, and have also radically impacted upon the free flow of traffic around the bypass!!!....... so perhaps we should be asking why have the planners and Highways Department allowed, and continue to allow, this to happen??? )

There you go, a few more things for you consider before you go looking a imposing blanket speed limits
Just to add to my previous comment.... if you are looking at the town's bypass and road safety issues, then shouldn't someone consider asking an important, and perhaps vital question about this road Why is there no central lane safety barrier between the Tesco's roundabout all the way up to the Tetbury road roundabout, and why is there no road lighting provided between the Fire Station roundabout and the Waitrose Roundabout. ....surely this is sheer madness!! As simply providing these measures, will help improve the safety of all those using the bypass, as well as perhaps starting to provide a bit of a deterrent to stop people from trying to cross the bypass at unrealistic and unsafe crossing points. We should also be asking, why is there no pedestrian barrier installed all the way up the Tetbury Hill, on both sides of the bypass? Surely this is needed and essential to protect those walking along these footpaths, yet alone all the children using this footpath everyday in order to get to and from school?? .....again the failure to provide this is the very first place was sheer madness!! In addition, why is which ever council responsible for cutting back the trees, shrubs and overgrowth on both sides of this road, not doing there job properly, and as a result of this, causing both obstructions and dangerously narrowing of these footpaths? .... clearly a fairly easy measure to be resolved!! Finally another important factor must be resolved and addressed, shouldn't we be asking our planners and Highway Department what on earth they are doing allowing major new accesses on to our bypass and it's roundabouts. A bypass is supposed to support the free flow of traffic around a built up area. So why are we now placing entry routes on to these bypasses, which are creating greater risks for those using these roads, yet alone impacting negatively on the free flow of traffic, especially at peak times??? (Mmm lets see, we now have the Kingshill Meadow estate, Tescos and the new Aldi site, talk of a potential development site where the Truck stop/Greasy Joes was, yet alone the hospital entrance and now talk of the new Amphitheatre revamp plans which will create new on-site parking, and lets not forget the Tetbury Road business park......all of these entrances have created greater risk factors on the town's bypass, and have also radically impacted upon the free flow of traffic around the bypass!!!....... so perhaps we should be asking why have the planners and Highways Department allowed, and continue to allow, this to happen??? ) There you go, a few more things for you consider before you go looking a imposing blanket speed limits Geoff66
  • Score: 7

3:57pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Bypass (road) - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"A bypass is a road or highway that goes around a town or village so that traffic which is passing that town does not have to go through the town centre.

Bypasses are good because they reduces the amount of traffic in the centre where the people live and work. It makes it much safer for them to cross the roads, and reduces pollution. It is better for the vehicles passing the town because their journey is made quicker.

If there are no strong rules that control the use of land, buildings are built along a bypass, making it an ordinary town road so that it might become just as busy as a town street again.

A road that goes all the way around the town in a large circle is called a ring road. The M25 is a ring road for London."

So there you go, we were supposed to have a bypass around Cirencester, not a ring-road, as clearly it doesn't go all the way around the town. BUT now it would seem that we can no longer call this a bypass, as we now simply have an ordinary road. There you go, now you know!!!
Bypass (road) - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "A bypass is a road or highway that goes around a town or village so that traffic which is passing that town does not have to go through the town centre. Bypasses are good because they reduces the amount of traffic in the centre where the people live and work. It makes it much safer for them to cross the roads, and reduces pollution. It is better for the vehicles passing the town because their journey is made quicker. If there are no strong rules that control the use of land, buildings are built along a bypass, making it an ordinary town road so that it might become just as busy as a town street again. A road that goes all the way around the town in a large circle is called a ring road. The M25 is a ring road for London." So there you go, we were supposed to have a bypass around Cirencester, not a ring-road, as clearly it doesn't go all the way around the town. BUT now it would seem that we can no longer call this a bypass, as we now simply have an ordinary road. There you go, now you know!!! Geoff66
  • Score: 8

4:25pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Susie Clark says...

Our beloved mayor Harris seemed to be more concerned about how much a lower speed limit would save Cirencester Town Council - to presumably help towards the outlay on the negligence case they ( correction - we taxpayers ) are having to fund. Perhaps if he and Olly Cromwell spent less time being photographed and more time actually talking to people who make decisions , some of these issues would be resolved by now.
Our beloved mayor Harris seemed to be more concerned about how much a lower speed limit would save Cirencester Town Council - to presumably help towards the outlay on the negligence case they ( correction - we taxpayers ) are having to fund. Perhaps if he and Olly Cromwell spent less time being photographed and more time actually talking to people who make decisions , some of these issues would be resolved by now. Susie Clark
  • Score: 4

6:34am Fri 15 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

Poor Susie has myopic vision

Out of 27 elected seats representing Cirencester she is really working hard to drive the number of Conservative seats up from the current number of, er,.......2.

However, by continuing to defend the £10 million car parking raid by Tory CDC and the sale of Chesterton Farm by the PRESIDENT of the Cirencester Tory Party for 2,500 new houses & £220 million she just can't read the writing on the wall (let alone on these blogs).
Poor Susie has myopic vision Out of 27 elected seats representing Cirencester she is really working hard to drive the number of Conservative seats up from the current number of, er,.......2. However, by continuing to defend the £10 million car parking raid by Tory CDC and the sale of Chesterton Farm by the PRESIDENT of the Cirencester Tory Party for 2,500 new houses & £220 million she just can't read the writing on the wall (let alone on these blogs). Olly Cromwell
  • Score: 1

10:30am Fri 15 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

WGS, where are all the previous comments??? You ran this story a week or so ago. Why have you republished it and took away the comments?
WGS, where are all the previous comments??? You ran this story a week or so ago. Why have you republished it and took away the comments? Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Why are people giving me the thumbs down? I'm asking WGS why they are rerunning the story without the previous comments!!! How does that upset you?? ha ha!!
Why are people giving me the thumbs down? I'm asking WGS why they are rerunning the story without the previous comments!!! How does that upset you?? ha ha!! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Megan Archer says...

Jessica Rabbit - No comments have been removed. The story you are referring to is 'COMMENT: We must reduce the speed limit on our roads'.

http://www.wiltsglos
standard.co.uk/news/
11384133.COMMENT__We
_must_reduce_the_spe
ed_limit_on_our_road
s/
Jessica Rabbit - No comments have been removed. The story you are referring to is 'COMMENT: We must reduce the speed limit on our roads'. http://www.wiltsglos standard.co.uk/news/ 11384133.COMMENT__We _must_reduce_the_spe ed_limit_on_our_road s/ Megan Archer
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Oh OK Megan..... sorry, but it looked like the same story!! Thank you for correcting me!! I think this is a mix up of 2 previous articles then as the photo has definitely been used before which led me to believe it was the same article!
Oh OK Megan..... sorry, but it looked like the same story!! Thank you for correcting me!! I think this is a mix up of 2 previous articles then as the photo has definitely been used before which led me to believe it was the same article! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: -1

6:08pm Tue 19 Aug 14

oldsmokey0 says...

I agree with Jessica Rabbit.
"This is an old story that had numerous readers comments that have now disappeared? Nice work WGS."
I have commented on two articles one about the "Father worried about a cycle path" at Tetbury Hill, the last week about Lowering Speed limits on the bypass yet neither comments have appeared.
You are surely no telling us this is a third article about the same thing, this is very confusing know wonder you don't appear to get many comments or a lot of support this important issue.
I agree with Jessica Rabbit. "This is an old story that had numerous readers comments that have now disappeared? Nice work WGS." I have commented on two articles one about the "Father worried about a cycle path" at Tetbury Hill, the last week about Lowering Speed limits on the bypass yet neither comments have appeared. You are surely no telling us this is a third article about the same thing, this is very confusing know wonder you don't appear to get many comments or a lot of support this important issue. oldsmokey0
  • Score: 2

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