Comment - Does Cirencester deserve the status of quality council?

Editor's Comment - Does Cirencester deserve the status of quality council?

Editor's Comment - Does Cirencester deserve the status of quality council?

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COUNCILS are a natural target for criticism because they spend our council tax, often in ways that we cannot see the point of.

In the case of Cirencester Town Council, a large proportion of its annual budget is spent on staff; some of whom work in the offices and others as groundsmen in the parks and grounds around the town.

One of these grounds is the historic Roman amphitheatre, now covered over in grass and in need of mowing from time to time.

It was here that a town council groundsman was thrown from his mower, suffering serious injuries, while cutting the grass on a slope.

Given that the council is publicly accountable, it would be reasonable to assume that any of its employees operating machinery such as a ride-on mower would be properly trained in its operation.

Yet this was not the case with the mowing of the ampitheatre a couple of years ago and as the health and safety prosecutor said this was an entirely avoidable accident. The man involved could have been killed, not just injured.

A council spokesman said that new measures have been put in place, and that is probably the case, but is that a matter of shutting the stable door after the horse bolts?

Cirencester has been awarded the status of quality council. Does it deserve it? And do we, as taxpayers have to fork out the £30,000 this case has cost the council?

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10:29am Mon 11 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Quite frankly NO they don't!! and to be truthful, increasing i am asking myself what do they actually do? and why do we need them?

What is happening to our once beautiful, historic town? The town looks tired and dirty, and lacks many of the things which are now needed to attract visitors and tourists to the town, which are vital to secure the long term future of our town and it's businesses.

The town's markets are an utter disgrace, and how on earth have we not taken massive steps to make these a major draw for visitors and tourist, yet alone our own residents, which is surely vital to securing our status as a Charter Market town. Why would anyone want to come to Cirencester for the "poor flea market" approach that we seem to have adopted.

The physical appearance of the town is now a major let down, and this must be failing to draw in significant numbers of tourist and visitors, who would otherwise be financially benefiting our town and its businesses. Where are the flowers, flower beds, shrubs, planters, hanging baskets, which seem to adorn any other town and village across the Cotswolds, yet alone across the rest of the country. The appearance of a town is a major draw, and we constantly fail on this front with inadequate and token gestures.

Why do we not celebrate our historic past? Where are the signs and information boards which tell the history of the town over the ages, and celebrate some of our fantastic and beautiful buildings. Other than the Museum and a few Blue plaques. Why do we fail to tell the story of our town.

Roadside verges, roundabouts and grassy areas........ these are a complete let down and an utter disgrace. Why isn't the Town Council encouraging collective working between the three local authorities, who are responsible for our town, to ensure that major steps are taken to improve these and the overall image of the town ? Anyone driving into our town, or who are by-passing the town as they zoom around our ring road, must be thinking our town is a dump. Is it time these council's worked together, and sorted out the budgets and funding to do this, and did something to improve this and make our town beautiful, plus ensure that people, visitors and tourists will want to stop and have a look around our town.


So i guess the question is what does the Town Council actually do? It is failing on so many fronts, and all we hear is that they don't have the resources and funding to change things, or it isn't their responsibility. In some cases, this may well be the truth, but then why aren't they doing their damnest to bring partners together to ensure that these changes can be made, and ensure that Cirencester best interests are always at the heart of what they do?

Does Cirencester Town Council deserve it's title of a "Quality Council" surely not
Quite frankly NO they don't!! and to be truthful, increasing i am asking myself what do they actually do? and why do we need them? What is happening to our once beautiful, historic town? The town looks tired and dirty, and lacks many of the things which are now needed to attract visitors and tourists to the town, which are vital to secure the long term future of our town and it's businesses. The town's markets are an utter disgrace, and how on earth have we not taken massive steps to make these a major draw for visitors and tourist, yet alone our own residents, which is surely vital to securing our status as a Charter Market town. Why would anyone want to come to Cirencester for the "poor flea market" approach that we seem to have adopted. The physical appearance of the town is now a major let down, and this must be failing to draw in significant numbers of tourist and visitors, who would otherwise be financially benefiting our town and its businesses. Where are the flowers, flower beds, shrubs, planters, hanging baskets, which seem to adorn any other town and village across the Cotswolds, yet alone across the rest of the country. The appearance of a town is a major draw, and we constantly fail on this front with inadequate and token gestures. Why do we not celebrate our historic past? Where are the signs and information boards which tell the history of the town over the ages, and celebrate some of our fantastic and beautiful buildings. Other than the Museum and a few Blue plaques. Why do we fail to tell the story of our town. Roadside verges, roundabouts and grassy areas........ these are a complete let down and an utter disgrace. Why isn't the Town Council encouraging collective working between the three local authorities, who are responsible for our town, to ensure that major steps are taken to improve these and the overall image of the town ? Anyone driving into our town, or who are by-passing the town as they zoom around our ring road, must be thinking our town is a dump. Is it time these council's worked together, and sorted out the budgets and funding to do this, and did something to improve this and make our town beautiful, plus ensure that people, visitors and tourists will want to stop and have a look around our town. So i guess the question is what does the Town Council actually do? It is failing on so many fronts, and all we hear is that they don't have the resources and funding to change things, or it isn't their responsibility. In some cases, this may well be the truth, but then why aren't they doing their damnest to bring partners together to ensure that these changes can be made, and ensure that Cirencester best interests are always at the heart of what they do? Does Cirencester Town Council deserve it's title of a "Quality Council" surely not Geoff66
  • Score: 16

10:31am Mon 11 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

If you want to knock a council don't start with the town council - at least they try and look after the interests of Cirencester. Instead save your ire for Cotswold District Council who have don't do Cirencester any favours and Gloucestershire County Council who probably don't know that Cirencester is in Gloucestershire !
If you want to knock a council don't start with the town council - at least they try and look after the interests of Cirencester. Instead save your ire for Cotswold District Council who have don't do Cirencester any favours and Gloucestershire County Council who probably don't know that Cirencester is in Gloucestershire ! Rex Cooper
  • Score: -2

10:33am Mon 11 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

I think we have to consider the totality of the services which Cirencester Town Council provides in terms of the various events it organises and the maintenance of its public open spaces both of which attract visitors to the 'Capital of the Cotswolds' on which its retailers depend.
Whether the Town Council enjoys sufficient influence with Cotswold District Council in terms of resisting the planned new 2500 new homes development at Chesterton is perhaps another matter (given that a number of its councillor sit in both camps), but we should not rush to condemn its quality award based on one health and safety incident.
I think we have to consider the totality of the services which Cirencester Town Council provides in terms of the various events it organises and the maintenance of its public open spaces both of which attract visitors to the 'Capital of the Cotswolds' on which its retailers depend. Whether the Town Council enjoys sufficient influence with Cotswold District Council in terms of resisting the planned new 2500 new homes development at Chesterton is perhaps another matter (given that a number of its councillor sit in both camps), but we should not rush to condemn its quality award based on one health and safety incident. GWS Observer
  • Score: -4

2:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Sally87 says...

I agree with all that Geoff06 has said.
When the Mayor states, re the new skate park, that it was '10 years in the making' have we any hope?

Dangerous uneven pavements in the town
Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building).
No flowers
Horrible,straight off the road toilets with doors far too heavy for some elderly people
Unkempt local green community areas.

Having said all that I love our town and I don't want it to be too manicured but at the moment it looks scruffy and uncared for. Let's tidy up and mend what we have got and forget about shiny new piatza's.
I agree with all that Geoff06 has said. When the Mayor states, re the new skate park, that it was '10 years in the making' have we any hope? Dangerous uneven pavements in the town Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building). No flowers Horrible,straight off the road toilets with doors far too heavy for some elderly people Unkempt local green community areas. Having said all that I love our town and I don't want it to be too manicured but at the moment it looks scruffy and uncared for. Let's tidy up and mend what we have got and forget about shiny new piatza's. Sally87
  • Score: 10

3:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

I agree with Geoff66 100%. CTC is a disgrace.
I agree with Geoff66 100%. CTC is a disgrace. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 6

5:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

HenryW says...

To become a Quality Council, it is not just a question of Cirencester Town Council giving themselves a pat on the back and saying “Look at what we’ve done”. They have to prove to local people that they are representative and in touch with the community; can work in partnership with other local authorities to deliver local services; are competent and capable of taking on this enhanced role. The Clerk must hold various certificates and have gone through a large amount of specific and costly training and, if the Clerk leaves, then the Quality Status leaves with the Clerk and the expensive process has to be started all over again. There is an application fee as well as the cost of training and payment of overtime for extra hours for the Clerk to complete this. From the previous comments above, I am not sure that Cirencester Town Council has proved that it is in touch with the community or is representative. Also at the end of the day, what is the point? There are no real benefits to the people of Cirencester just extra cost to the tax payers.
To become a Quality Council, it is not just a question of Cirencester Town Council giving themselves a pat on the back and saying “Look at what we’ve done”. They have to prove to local people that they are representative and in touch with the community; can work in partnership with other local authorities to deliver local services; are competent and capable of taking on this enhanced role. The Clerk must hold various certificates and have gone through a large amount of specific and costly training and, if the Clerk leaves, then the Quality Status leaves with the Clerk and the expensive process has to be started all over again. There is an application fee as well as the cost of training and payment of overtime for extra hours for the Clerk to complete this. From the previous comments above, I am not sure that Cirencester Town Council has proved that it is in touch with the community or is representative. Also at the end of the day, what is the point? There are no real benefits to the people of Cirencester just extra cost to the tax payers. HenryW
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

Why would anyone - other than a kamikaze - take a sit-on mower designed for handling 25 degree inclines, down a slope measuring 64 degrees?
Why would anyone - other than a kamikaze - take a sit-on mower designed for handling 25 degree inclines, down a slope measuring 64 degrees? Olly Cromwell
  • Score: 2

5:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Claire.M says...

Sally87 wrote:
I agree with all that Geoff06 has said.
When the Mayor states, re the new skate park, that it was '10 years in the making' have we any hope?

Dangerous uneven pavements in the town
Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building).
No flowers
Horrible,straight off the road toilets with doors far too heavy for some elderly people
Unkempt local green community areas.

Having said all that I love our town and I don't want it to be too manicured but at the moment it looks scruffy and uncared for. Let's tidy up and mend what we have got and forget about shiny new piatza's.
Sally87: "Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building)" ....

That's only because local resident Tony Curry goes out in his own time on his weekends off (and at his own expense paying for petrol) to keep the grass cut on both the Waitrose roundabout (i.e. the one by St. James's Place building) and the Stroud Road roundabout next to Cirencester College.

Maybe Tony should get the "Quality" award - although I know he wouldn't want people making a lot of fuss about what he does for the community!
[quote][p][bold]Sally87[/bold] wrote: I agree with all that Geoff06 has said. When the Mayor states, re the new skate park, that it was '10 years in the making' have we any hope? Dangerous uneven pavements in the town Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building). No flowers Horrible,straight off the road toilets with doors far too heavy for some elderly people Unkempt local green community areas. Having said all that I love our town and I don't want it to be too manicured but at the moment it looks scruffy and uncared for. Let's tidy up and mend what we have got and forget about shiny new piatza's.[/p][/quote]Sally87: "Scruffy roundabouts and verges (except for the one by St. James's place building)" .... That's only because local resident Tony Curry goes out in his own time on his weekends off (and at his own expense paying for petrol) to keep the grass cut on both the Waitrose roundabout (i.e. the one by St. James's Place building) and the Stroud Road roundabout next to Cirencester College. Maybe Tony should get the "Quality" award - although I know he wouldn't want people making a lot of fuss about what he does for the community! Claire.M
  • Score: 9

6:01pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Susie Clark says...

Cirencester Town councillors seem remarkably quite about it all. If that had been CDC spending taxpayers' money on negligence cases, , we would have had Crispin Mount sending off articles to Private Eye for their Rotten Boroughs column , Olly Cromwell describing the whole episode as scandalous and the council " not fit for purpose " - as it is, he rounds on the poor employee as he tries to defend his political cronies on Cirencester Town Council.
Let's hope this is a wake-up call for the mayor to get to grips with the town he's supposed to be leading, rather than just blame everyone else.
Cirencester Town councillors seem remarkably quite about it all. If that had been CDC spending taxpayers' money on negligence cases, , we would have had Crispin Mount sending off articles to Private Eye for their Rotten Boroughs column , Olly Cromwell describing the whole episode as scandalous and the council " not fit for purpose " - as it is, he rounds on the poor employee as he tries to defend his political cronies on Cirencester Town Council. Let's hope this is a wake-up call for the mayor to get to grips with the town he's supposed to be leading, rather than just blame everyone else. Susie Clark
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

I just looked at my annual council tax bill and remarkably there isn't a lot of difference between what i pay CDC, as to what i pay Cirencester Town Council (CTC)

Personally i believe i get better value from CDC than i do from CTC, especially when we don't really know what they actually do for us, yet alone what money is actually being paid in wages, rather than actually delivering services.

Do we really need CTC?? and is so why??
I just looked at my annual council tax bill and remarkably there isn't a lot of difference between what i pay CDC, as to what i pay Cirencester Town Council (CTC) Personally i believe i get better value from CDC than i do from CTC, especially when we don't really know what they actually do for us, yet alone what money is actually being paid in wages, rather than actually delivering services. Do we really need CTC?? and is so why?? Geoff66
  • Score: 6

6:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Perhaps the question should be - "What does Cirencester Town Council actually do, and does this offer the town's residents, tourists and visitors, Quality?"
Perhaps the question should be - "What does Cirencester Town Council actually do, and does this offer the town's residents, tourists and visitors, Quality?" Geoff66
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Bert Wilkins says...

Lets be honest. Its fairly clear to an old codger like me the only person here who even marginally claims the council do a good job is Rex Cooper, who must surely be one of their number, past or present.
I don't claim to understand the political process, but what I do know is we somehow reached an impasse on so many levels with what the people of Cirencester want and what the council give us.
Whilst he tries his best, we have a child as Major, which is probably a reflection of the lethargy shown to politics in this town. It has now however reached a level of ineptitude that surely a few good men/women will step forward at the earliest opportunity and save our town.
Chesterton/Cinema/St
udent accomodation in town/Dangerous unmown verges and roundabouts/Kings Head/pot holes/parking, the list goes on and on and on and nothing ever gets resolved in a way that suits the best needs of the people of this town. In fact based on the above, none of the above even look like getting resolved.
The council is a disgrace.
Lets be honest. Its fairly clear to an old codger like me the only person here who even marginally claims the council do a good job is Rex Cooper, who must surely be one of their number, past or present. I don't claim to understand the political process, but what I do know is we somehow reached an impasse on so many levels with what the people of Cirencester want and what the council give us. Whilst he tries his best, we have a child as Major, which is probably a reflection of the lethargy shown to politics in this town. It has now however reached a level of ineptitude that surely a few good men/women will step forward at the earliest opportunity and save our town. Chesterton/Cinema/St udent accomodation in town/Dangerous unmown verges and roundabouts/Kings Head/pot holes/parking, the list goes on and on and on and nothing ever gets resolved in a way that suits the best needs of the people of this town. In fact based on the above, none of the above even look like getting resolved. The council is a disgrace. Bert Wilkins
  • Score: 6

8:18pm Tue 12 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

I suppose we could extend Geoff(66)'s thinking a little further and just have 'OneGloucestershire' Council, abolishing the town council, district and county councils in their present form altogether ... That would save some money wouldn't it, and put all planning decisions in one place, but where I wonder would it leave us? True, we would dispense with two (some might say, unnecessary) levels of bureaucracy, council staff and councillors among them, but where would that leave Cirencester without a democratically elected voice to speak for it? Perhaps it wouldn't matter: we could continue the journey we have started to become a dormitory town serving Swindon and the M5 corridor, unless someone speaks up to object to it? I think this requires more thought than I have seen so far ...
I suppose we could extend Geoff(66)'s thinking a little further and just have 'OneGloucestershire' Council, abolishing the town council, district and county councils in their present form altogether ... That would save some money wouldn't it, and put all planning decisions in one place, but where I wonder would it leave us? True, we would dispense with two (some might say, unnecessary) levels of bureaucracy, council staff and councillors among them, but where would that leave Cirencester without a democratically elected voice to speak for it? Perhaps it wouldn't matter: we could continue the journey we have started to become a dormitory town serving Swindon and the M5 corridor, unless someone speaks up to object to it? I think this requires more thought than I have seen so far ... GWS Observer
  • Score: 4

8:20pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Bert wrote .......... 'Chesterton/Cinema/S
tudent accomodation in town/Dangerous unmown verges and roundabouts/Kings Head/pot holes/parking, the list goes on and on and on and nothing ever gets resolved in a way that suits the best needs of the people of this town. In fact based on the above, none of the above even look like getting resolved.'

I agree wholeheartedly... enough is enough... but what do we do? We are not listened to. The WGS need to support the town residents on this to get our voices across. Why not do a survey or a full spread in your paper shaming CTC in to action? I feel useless watching my home town fall apart around me.

I have lived here all my life and I shall be leaving as soon as the student accommodation is finished. I expect by then the town will be more of a mess, with worse potholes, grass 5ft high, rubbish everywhere and 2000 houses starting to be built with no infrastructure to support them. There are certainly worse days ahead for our once pretty Cotswold town.
Bert wrote .......... 'Chesterton/Cinema/S tudent accomodation in town/Dangerous unmown verges and roundabouts/Kings Head/pot holes/parking, the list goes on and on and on and nothing ever gets resolved in a way that suits the best needs of the people of this town. In fact based on the above, none of the above even look like getting resolved.' I agree wholeheartedly... enough is enough... but what do we do? We are not listened to. The WGS need to support the town residents on this to get our voices across. Why not do a survey or a full spread in your paper shaming CTC in to action? I feel useless watching my home town fall apart around me. I have lived here all my life and I shall be leaving as soon as the student accommodation is finished. I expect by then the town will be more of a mess, with worse potholes, grass 5ft high, rubbish everywhere and 2000 houses starting to be built with no infrastructure to support them. There are certainly worse days ahead for our once pretty Cotswold town. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 8

8:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Claire.M says...

Susie Clark makes a good point (as she often does!) Our young mayor and his Lib Dem colleagues aren't exactly rushing out in defence of CTC - the one council they do actually control in this area. But then I get the impression that lot are generally much more comfortable slinging mud from the opposition benches (as they do at CDC) than they are actually running the show! It's tough at the top!
Susie Clark makes a good point (as she often does!) Our young mayor and his Lib Dem colleagues aren't exactly rushing out in defence of CTC - the one council they do actually control in this area. But then I get the impression that lot are generally much more comfortable slinging mud from the opposition benches (as they do at CDC) than they are actually running the show! It's tough at the top! Claire.M
  • Score: 4

9:00pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

What a shame £10 million is sucked out of Cirencester via car parking charges by greedy Tory Cotswold District Council, who not only get to keep all the lovely lolly, but it also provides an opportunity to blame Cirencester for having no money (!)
What a shame £10 million is sucked out of Cirencester via car parking charges by greedy Tory Cotswold District Council, who not only get to keep all the lovely lolly, but it also provides an opportunity to blame Cirencester for having no money (!) Olly Cromwell
  • Score: -1

11:20pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Geoff66 wrote:
I just looked at my annual council tax bill and remarkably there isn't a lot of difference between what i pay CDC, as to what i pay Cirencester Town Council (CTC)

Personally i believe i get better value from CDC than i do from CTC, especially when we don't really know what they actually do for us, yet alone what money is actually being paid in wages, rather than actually delivering services.

Do we really need CTC?? and is so why??
Just for the record I do not work for the town council nor am i connected with them in any way. But like many things in this country we go for the easiest targets. The town council is so small in budget and staff terms that it really can't do much - well or badly. And Geoff 66 who has so much to say ought to read the annual town council and district council reports. They show what you pay for each - and there is contrary to what you say a big difference between what you pay for each. You say you don't really know what they do for us, well read the reports or look at their web sites.
Your nonsense continues with 'what money is actually being paid in wages rather than actually delivering services " Have you found a way of delivering a service without someone being paid for it ? Or should we have an army of Tony Curry's doing it for free. Why's he doing that - its Gloucestershire County Council that we're paying to do it and they're not
[quote][p][bold]Geoff66[/bold] wrote: I just looked at my annual council tax bill and remarkably there isn't a lot of difference between what i pay CDC, as to what i pay Cirencester Town Council (CTC) Personally i believe i get better value from CDC than i do from CTC, especially when we don't really know what they actually do for us, yet alone what money is actually being paid in wages, rather than actually delivering services. Do we really need CTC?? and is so why??[/p][/quote]Just for the record I do not work for the town council nor am i connected with them in any way. But like many things in this country we go for the easiest targets. The town council is so small in budget and staff terms that it really can't do much - well or badly. And Geoff 66 who has so much to say ought to read the annual town council and district council reports. They show what you pay for each - and there is contrary to what you say a big difference between what you pay for each. You say you don't really know what they do for us, well read the reports or look at their web sites. Your nonsense continues with 'what money is actually being paid in wages rather than actually delivering services " Have you found a way of delivering a service without someone being paid for it ? Or should we have an army of Tony Curry's doing it for free. Why's he doing that - its Gloucestershire County Council that we're paying to do it and they're not Rex Cooper
  • Score: -1

12:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Behave Rex....... yes i have seen their annual accounts and annual report, thank you very much.... i have found the web to be a fantastic tool like many have

The issue i guess is do we really need and actually benefit from having three local authorities looking after our town and the services which the residents of Cirencester receive?

Rex - you may be a fan of CTC, but take a good look around the town, and at the current state it is in, and then ask yourself, are we really getting the best service for our town?

Instead of picking on me (which incidentally you seem to like doing) ....perhaps you should be considering, like everyone else what Cirencester's residents actually think about the quality and scope of the services they receive, and whether these are actually in the best interest of our town and its inhabitants, and whether these are actually offering value for money. Surely i can't be the only resident of Cirencester who questions this.
Behave Rex....... yes i have seen their annual accounts and annual report, thank you very much.... i have found the web to be a fantastic tool like many have The issue i guess is do we really need and actually benefit from having three local authorities looking after our town and the services which the residents of Cirencester receive? Rex - you may be a fan of CTC, but take a good look around the town, and at the current state it is in, and then ask yourself, are we really getting the best service for our town? Instead of picking on me (which incidentally you seem to like doing) ....perhaps you should be considering, like everyone else what Cirencester's residents actually think about the quality and scope of the services they receive, and whether these are actually in the best interest of our town and its inhabitants, and whether these are actually offering value for money. Surely i can't be the only resident of Cirencester who questions this. Geoff66
  • Score: 8

1:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

PS Rex....... Council tax bill 14 March 2014 (Band C property)
- Cotswold District Council £118.27 (3% drop on last year)
- Cirencester Town Council £95.68 (1.4% rise on last year)
PS Rex....... Council tax bill 14 March 2014 (Band C property) - Cotswold District Council £118.27 (3% drop on last year) - Cirencester Town Council £95.68 (1.4% rise on last year) Geoff66
  • Score: 4

1:15am Wed 13 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

PS Rex....... Council tax bill 14 March 2014 (Band C property)
- Cotswold District Council £118.27 (3% drop on last year)
- Cirencester Town Council £95.68 (1.4% rise on last year)
PS Rex....... Council tax bill 14 March 2014 (Band C property) - Cotswold District Council £118.27 (3% drop on last year) - Cirencester Town Council £95.68 (1.4% rise on last year) Geoff66
  • Score: 3

8:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

Claire.M says...

Olly Cromwell wrote:
What a shame £10 million is sucked out of Cirencester via car parking charges by greedy Tory Cotswold District Council, who not only get to keep all the lovely lolly, but it also provides an opportunity to blame Cirencester for having no money (!)
When all else fails, play the old 'parking charges' card!
[quote][p][bold]Olly Cromwell[/bold] wrote: What a shame £10 million is sucked out of Cirencester via car parking charges by greedy Tory Cotswold District Council, who not only get to keep all the lovely lolly, but it also provides an opportunity to blame Cirencester for having no money (!)[/p][/quote]When all else fails, play the old 'parking charges' card! Claire.M
  • Score: 2

2:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

StephanieP says...

So what has Cirencester Town Council done for us?
I understand they spent ca £49,000 on wooden sheds for the Christmas Market used them a few times and then left them to rot. Where are they now?
They spent in the region of £30,000 on a provider for a skate ramp who went bust. And then reportedly had to pay another provider to complete the 10 year project.
The Lib Dem controlled CTC have done very little to alleviate the town’s flooding issues. 7 years on and Cirencester residents still suffer. Other Town Councils e.g. Lechlade, Fairford and Moreton all have robust flood plans in place and have safeguarded their residents.
CTC cannot afford to increase the hours of CCTV although it cost CTC in the region of £40,000.
GCC and CDC did not raise the precept for 2014. In fact, CDC, which is one of the most successful councils in the country, had a 3% drop. Cirencester TC on the other hand increased the precept by 1.3%. Their precept is now a whopping £710,533.
So what has Cirencester Town Council done for us? I understand they spent ca £49,000 on wooden sheds for the Christmas Market used them a few times and then left them to rot. Where are they now? They spent in the region of £30,000 on a provider for a skate ramp who went bust. And then reportedly had to pay another provider to complete the 10 year project. The Lib Dem controlled CTC have done very little to alleviate the town’s flooding issues. 7 years on and Cirencester residents still suffer. Other Town Councils e.g. Lechlade, Fairford and Moreton all have robust flood plans in place and have safeguarded their residents. CTC cannot afford to increase the hours of CCTV although it cost CTC in the region of £40,000. GCC and CDC did not raise the precept for 2014. In fact, CDC, which is one of the most successful councils in the country, had a 3% drop. Cirencester TC on the other hand increased the precept by 1.3%. Their precept is now a whopping £710,533. StephanieP
  • Score: 9

4:36pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Susie Clark says...

Who's blaming CTC for having no money, Olly? With the new homes all paying the town council's hiked up precept, there should be plenty. It's what they do ( or don't do ) with it is the issue
Who's blaming CTC for having no money, Olly? With the new homes all paying the town council's hiked up precept, there should be plenty. It's what they do ( or don't do ) with it is the issue Susie Clark
  • Score: 4

5:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

" CDC - one of the most successful councils in the country " !!!
By what measure ? Sure isn't about its services or its willingness to listen.
Maybe they get prizes for their PR machinery and patting themselves on the back
" CDC - one of the most successful councils in the country " !!! By what measure ? Sure isn't about its services or its willingness to listen. Maybe they get prizes for their PR machinery and patting themselves on the back Rex Cooper
  • Score: -4

9:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Best in the West says...

If starting with a blank sheet of paper to devise a system of local government, anyone that suggested three layers (county, district and town) would be viewed as bonkers. Whilst the single tier that GWS posits is probably a step too far, there is an obvious way forwards. Just look at Wiltshire where the intermediate tier was scrapped in 2009. A huge change but the world kept turning. I will not pretend that there have not been challenges but the benefits much outweigh the costs. I doubt, given the choice , that anyone would want to go back.
If starting with a blank sheet of paper to devise a system of local government, anyone that suggested three layers (county, district and town) would be viewed as bonkers. Whilst the single tier that GWS posits is probably a step too far, there is an obvious way forwards. Just look at Wiltshire where the intermediate tier was scrapped in 2009. A huge change but the world kept turning. I will not pretend that there have not been challenges but the benefits much outweigh the costs. I doubt, given the choice , that anyone would want to go back. Best in the West
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Best in the West.
You are right about rationalisation of tiers. I'd take out the middle tier i.e. Cotswold District Council. However they are trying to frustrate this by going for horizontal integration with neighbouring district councils. Survival instinct. Imagine what Cirencester could be like if we could manage our affairs with our own share of the budget that CDC has.
Best in the West. You are right about rationalisation of tiers. I'd take out the middle tier i.e. Cotswold District Council. However they are trying to frustrate this by going for horizontal integration with neighbouring district councils. Survival instinct. Imagine what Cirencester could be like if we could manage our affairs with our own share of the budget that CDC has. Rex Cooper
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Rex is suggesting moving to a unitary council model, much as Cornwall, Wiltshire, Bristol, North Somerset, Bath and North East Somerset, and South Gloucestershire have adopted, in which there are no tier 2 district councils, only tier 3 parish and town councils, sitting below the tier 1 unitary council. It has worked well in these locations in cutting out an expensive tier of local government, so it could work well for Gloucestershire too?
Rex is suggesting moving to a unitary council model, much as Cornwall, Wiltshire, Bristol, North Somerset, Bath and North East Somerset, and South Gloucestershire have adopted, in which there are no tier 2 district councils, only tier 3 parish and town councils, sitting below the tier 1 unitary council. It has worked well in these locations in cutting out an expensive tier of local government, so it could work well for Gloucestershire too? GWS Observer
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

esse quam viderie says...

Some years ago (I think in the late 90s) all of the principal councils in Gloucestershire were in favour of cutting a tier and having the unitary system.

The problem was that they all thought that they should be the unitary!

Can you really imagine CDC running social services in the area or, heaven forbid, the local fire and rescue service?
Some years ago (I think in the late 90s) all of the principal councils in Gloucestershire were in favour of cutting a tier and having the unitary system. The problem was that they all thought that they should be the unitary! Can you really imagine CDC running social services in the area or, heaven forbid, the local fire and rescue service? esse quam viderie
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Thu 14 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Ah, a point of clarification is needed. In the model that is proposed, it would be the existing Gloucestershire County Council that would become the unitary council with all the districts including Gloucester City Council, Cheltenham Borough Council, Stroud District Council, Cotswold District Council and Forest of Dean District Council abolished including their planning functions. Big savings, cleaner decision making, with the Tier 3 parish and town councils representing the views of local people. Of course other economic boundaries could be proposed, which do not accord with present administrative boundaries, but that is a more complex argument.
Ah, a point of clarification is needed. In the model that is proposed, it would be the existing Gloucestershire County Council that would become the unitary council with all the districts including Gloucester City Council, Cheltenham Borough Council, Stroud District Council, Cotswold District Council and Forest of Dean District Council abolished including their planning functions. Big savings, cleaner decision making, with the Tier 3 parish and town councils representing the views of local people. Of course other economic boundaries could be proposed, which do not accord with present administrative boundaries, but that is a more complex argument. GWS Observer
  • Score: 2

7:30pm Thu 14 Aug 14

esse quam viderie says...

GWS wrote "Ah, a point of clarification is needed. In the model that is proposed, it would be the existing Gloucestershire County Council that would become the unitary council ....."
Not always GWS. Most unitary authorities are based on historic county boundaries but there are a minority, mainly larger urban areas, that are not.
GWS wrote "Ah, a point of clarification is needed. In the model that is proposed, it would be the existing Gloucestershire County Council that would become the unitary council ....." Not always GWS. Most unitary authorities are based on historic county boundaries but there are a minority, mainly larger urban areas, that are not. esse quam viderie
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Thu 14 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Yes, Esse quam viderie is quite right in saying that we do not need to base unitary councils on historic county boundaries, though usually they are an amalgam of them like the former Avon (now four separate unitary councils centred on Bristol collectively known as the West of England sub region) and, I think, Greater Manchester and others like it. But the main point, on which I think Rex Cooper, Best of the West, Esse quam viderie and GWS agree, is that some delayering, by removing the district council tier, is preferable in costs and benefits to the three layers of local government we have now. And some might argue that we should include Swindon, formerly part of Wiltshire but now a small independent unitary authority in its own right but economically not quite of the right weight, in that equation too.
Yes, Esse quam viderie is quite right in saying that we do not need to base unitary councils on historic county boundaries, though usually they are an amalgam of them like the former Avon (now four separate unitary councils centred on Bristol collectively known as the West of England sub region) and, I think, Greater Manchester and others like it. But the main point, on which I think Rex Cooper, Best of the West, Esse quam viderie and GWS agree, is that some delayering, by removing the district council tier, is preferable in costs and benefits to the three layers of local government we have now. And some might argue that we should include Swindon, formerly part of Wiltshire but now a small independent unitary authority in its own right but economically not quite of the right weight, in that equation too. GWS Observer
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

So getting back to the point of this article ...."Does Cirencester Town Council deserve Quality status?" From the comments given to date, then clearly that is a NO!!

However now these comments appear to even be looking at potential new structures, which strangely seem to continue to give CTC a significant role, in presenting the town and it's residents.....WHY!!!
!! have they suddenly improved and/or done something over night to change this situation??

They continue to fail to act and get things done, listen to the views of the people of this town, make marked improvement to the town and its environment......and repeatedly they are failing to take notice of what local residents are saying about issues, such as:
- the Chesterton Farm development (2,500 new homes)
- the Brewery cinema complex, where it is clear that no one likes the design, yet alone the idea of student accommodation being provided for the Royal Agricultural Students
- the high cost of town wide car parking
- issues around the flooding of the town and general water management
- a complete lack of townwide planting, flowers, hanging baskets, etc....
- the negative image of the town's approaches, bypasses, verges and roundabouts
- major concerns about the gridlock of the town centre and concerns for the future based on ever increasing numbers
- PLUS many, many more
-
So getting back to the point of this article ...."Does Cirencester Town Council deserve Quality status?" From the comments given to date, then clearly that is a NO!! However now these comments appear to even be looking at potential new structures, which strangely seem to continue to give CTC a significant role, in presenting the town and it's residents.....WHY!!! !! have they suddenly improved and/or done something over night to change this situation?? They continue to fail to act and get things done, listen to the views of the people of this town, make marked improvement to the town and its environment......and repeatedly they are failing to take notice of what local residents are saying about issues, such as: - the Chesterton Farm development (2,500 new homes) - the Brewery cinema complex, where it is clear that no one likes the design, yet alone the idea of student accommodation being provided for the Royal Agricultural Students - the high cost of town wide car parking - issues around the flooding of the town and general water management - a complete lack of townwide planting, flowers, hanging baskets, etc.... - the negative image of the town's approaches, bypasses, verges and roundabouts - major concerns about the gridlock of the town centre and concerns for the future based on ever increasing numbers - PLUS many, many more - Geoff66
  • Score: 6

5:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district
,county councils.
The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking,
flooding,roundabouts
,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we.
Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district ,county councils. The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking, flooding,roundabouts ,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -3

5:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district
,county councils.
The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking,
flooding,roundabouts
,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we.
Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district ,county councils. The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking, flooding,roundabouts ,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -4

5:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district
,county councils.
The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking,
flooding,roundabouts
,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we.
Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district ,county councils. The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking, flooding,roundabouts ,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -4

5:31pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district
,county councils.
The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking,
flooding,roundabouts
,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we.
Geoff66 - your transmit button seems to be working alright but your receiving button is not functioning at all. You don't seem to understand the respective roles of parish/town,district ,county councils. The issues you mention : Housing development,cinema development,parking, flooding,roundabouts ,gridlock etc are not under the remit of the town council. They are the responsibilty of either ( and do pay attention) the Cotswold District Council or Gloucestershire County Council. Because these organisations are not interested in Cirencester - because of either or both of politics and geography those of us who want a delayering of councils would like a town council where we the residents can influence more directly what goes on. The town council would have more money and power and so would we. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -2

5:52pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Rex - its not my transit button that's the problem..... its people like you who seem to walk about with the eyes closed, and who don't realise that the Town Council should be having a much greater role in ensuring the long term future of this town.

As i have said in may of my comments, which clearly you are not really reading, is that it must be the role of the Town Council to ensure that their is much closer, and collaborative working between all three council's in Cirencester, along with all of the other key players.

The problem seems to be that the Town Council forgets this vital role, and instead of ensuring that all theses agencies and key players are working together, and in the best interests of the town and its residents, it likes to moan and groan, along with people like you, that it can't afford to do everything in the town, and that it is doing its best!!!!!!

Well it isn't, and it isn't doing enough to tackle many of the keys problems and issues facing our town, yet alone ensuring the long term future and sustainability of our town.

Whilst the Town Council may be responsible for a small number of roles and services across the town, these are nothing to the roles and services which CDC and GCC have to deliver, and this is why they have bigger budgets..........YES its that easy Rex!!!.

As clearly the Town Council can't really existing on the same level playing field as CDC and GCC, then its key role should be to establish these collaborative working relationships, and to fight and campaign to ensure that Cirencester's best interests are always at the heart of what goes on in Cirencester.

This is where the Town Council continually fails, time and time again!!!!

Open your eyes Rex...... your Town Council is failing you and all of its residents
Rex - its not my transit button that's the problem..... its people like you who seem to walk about with the eyes closed, and who don't realise that the Town Council should be having a much greater role in ensuring the long term future of this town. As i have said in may of my comments, which clearly you are not really reading, is that it must be the role of the Town Council to ensure that their is much closer, and collaborative working between all three council's in Cirencester, along with all of the other key players. The problem seems to be that the Town Council forgets this vital role, and instead of ensuring that all theses agencies and key players are working together, and in the best interests of the town and its residents, it likes to moan and groan, along with people like you, that it can't afford to do everything in the town, and that it is doing its best!!!!!! Well it isn't, and it isn't doing enough to tackle many of the keys problems and issues facing our town, yet alone ensuring the long term future and sustainability of our town. Whilst the Town Council may be responsible for a small number of roles and services across the town, these are nothing to the roles and services which CDC and GCC have to deliver, and this is why they have bigger budgets..........YES its that easy Rex!!!. As clearly the Town Council can't really existing on the same level playing field as CDC and GCC, then its key role should be to establish these collaborative working relationships, and to fight and campaign to ensure that Cirencester's best interests are always at the heart of what goes on in Cirencester. This is where the Town Council continually fails, time and time again!!!! Open your eyes Rex...... your Town Council is failing you and all of its residents Geoff66
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Your logic confounds me yet one thing leapt out at me. You believe that the town council should have a greater role. I agree! This is my take on things. My town council is ineffective. The main reason is that it has little power and little money. It is not able against stronger adversaries at CDC and GCC to do what it would like to do for the town. It cannot be the strong collaborator you hope it should be. It is a weakling in the contest. I want it to be stronger and more effective. To make that possible I would bring power closer to the people of Cirencester. The way to do that is to abolish the unnecessary tier (i.e The District Council) who in the case of the Cotswolds do not care enough for Cirencester. That way the blame could not be shifted around and the calibre of councillor would probably be better - they'd certainly be better informed than councillors who live fifty miles away. Just beating up the town council isn't going to work - you have to get to the root of the problem. Local enfranchisement. Devolved
power.
Your logic confounds me yet one thing leapt out at me. You believe that the town council should have a greater role. I agree! This is my take on things. My town council is ineffective. The main reason is that it has little power and little money. It is not able against stronger adversaries at CDC and GCC to do what it would like to do for the town. It cannot be the strong collaborator you hope it should be. It is a weakling in the contest. I want it to be stronger and more effective. To make that possible I would bring power closer to the people of Cirencester. The way to do that is to abolish the unnecessary tier (i.e The District Council) who in the case of the Cotswolds do not care enough for Cirencester. That way the blame could not be shifted around and the calibre of councillor would probably be better - they'd certainly be better informed than councillors who live fifty miles away. Just beating up the town council isn't going to work - you have to get to the root of the problem. Local enfranchisement. Devolved power. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -2

9:58am Sun 17 Aug 14

Bert Wilkins says...

It looks like Rex has lost control of his transmit button too, based on 4 repeated replies!
Anyway, I think the point is that we never hear from our elected councilors even kicking up about the things that matter to us(even if they have no power).
I have never once seen a reply from a councilor here, for instance, acknowledging concerns and stating they will pick up the baton for us.
It looks like Rex has lost control of his transmit button too, based on 4 repeated replies! Anyway, I think the point is that we never hear from our elected councilors even kicking up about the things that matter to us(even if they have no power). I have never once seen a reply from a councilor here, for instance, acknowledging concerns and stating they will pick up the baton for us. Bert Wilkins
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

Rex.......NOPE your totally wrong...YET AGAIN!!!!! I would have to agree with Bert. The Town Council and it's councillors seem to be totally out of touch with the needs, desires and aspirations of Cirencester and it's residents, yet alone be capable of sitting around the table with Cotswold District Council and Gloucestershire County Council in order to establish closer collaborative working, which is essential to tackle and address many of the issues affecting Cirencester, and its on-going future.

Like Bert says, Cirencester Town Council and its councillors have no powers.....and lets be realistic Rex, at the end of the day they are only a glorified" Parish Council", and seeing some of the excellent work which goes on in many of our villages and small towns across the Cotswolds, our councillors haven't got a clue.

What is the point of being represented by a Town Council which has no real powers, yet alone a council which has failed to be able to sit around the table with the likes of CDC and GCC and ensure that the best interests of Cirencester are at the heart of what they all "collectively" do.

- When was the last time you saw your local councillor?
- Have they ever knocked on your door to ask for your opinions, when it hasn't been an election year?
- Do they appear to listen to the views of local residents and take the action which residents feel they should??? NO!!!

Lets be clear Rex.... What is the point of Cirencester Town Council? and NO they do not offer a quality service.

If Cirencester Town Council wants to continue, and really represent its residents, then it needs to change and quickly.
Rex.......NOPE your totally wrong...YET AGAIN!!!!! I would have to agree with Bert. The Town Council and it's councillors seem to be totally out of touch with the needs, desires and aspirations of Cirencester and it's residents, yet alone be capable of sitting around the table with Cotswold District Council and Gloucestershire County Council in order to establish closer collaborative working, which is essential to tackle and address many of the issues affecting Cirencester, and its on-going future. Like Bert says, Cirencester Town Council and its councillors have no powers.....and lets be realistic Rex, at the end of the day they are only a glorified" Parish Council", and seeing some of the excellent work which goes on in many of our villages and small towns across the Cotswolds, our councillors haven't got a clue. What is the point of being represented by a Town Council which has no real powers, yet alone a council which has failed to be able to sit around the table with the likes of CDC and GCC and ensure that the best interests of Cirencester are at the heart of what they all "collectively" do. - When was the last time you saw your local councillor? - Have they ever knocked on your door to ask for your opinions, when it hasn't been an election year? - Do they appear to listen to the views of local residents and take the action which residents feel they should??? NO!!! Lets be clear Rex.... What is the point of Cirencester Town Council? and NO they do not offer a quality service. If Cirencester Town Council wants to continue, and really represent its residents, then it needs to change and quickly. Geoff66
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Sun 17 Aug 14

GWS Observer says...

Time to call a halt I think, the arguments on both sides are becoming a bit circular with nothing new added.
... er, what's happened to Jessica Rabbit and her soulmate Sally? Out nibbling the grass on a closely mown roundabout somewhere I suppose?
Time to call a halt I think, the arguments on both sides are becoming a bit circular with nothing new added. ... er, what's happened to Jessica Rabbit and her soulmate Sally? Out nibbling the grass on a closely mown roundabout somewhere I suppose? GWS Observer
  • Score: 4

2:04pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

Geoff66 - if you believe 15 unpaid Councillors on a glorified Parish Council with a budget of £900k can preform miracles or take-on dystopia Cotswold District Council (budget £10 million but with reserves of £24 million) and Gloucestershire County Council (budget £400 million) you have failed to comprehend the big politics and the local politics.
Geoff66 - if you believe 15 unpaid Councillors on a glorified Parish Council with a budget of £900k can preform miracles or take-on dystopia Cotswold District Council (budget £10 million but with reserves of £24 million) and Gloucestershire County Council (budget £400 million) you have failed to comprehend the big politics and the local politics. Olly Cromwell
  • Score: -1

3:44pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Geoff66 says...

I've made my point and now I am out of here
I've made my point and now I am out of here Geoff66
  • Score: 5

3:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

Olly Cromwell. There's no point in trying to get Geoff66 to deal with reality and numbers. Town Council £900k
District Council £10mn plus what's under the mattress
County Council £400mn
Geoff - If you want to vent your spleen you're barking up the wrong tree ( do you like the mixed metaphor ? )
Olly Cromwell. There's no point in trying to get Geoff66 to deal with reality and numbers. Town Council £900k District Council £10mn plus what's under the mattress County Council £400mn Geoff - If you want to vent your spleen you're barking up the wrong tree ( do you like the mixed metaphor ? ) Rex Cooper
  • Score: -1

4:11pm Sun 17 Aug 14

safetyaware says...

Essentially, with the three tier system, they all blame one another for not doing anything. The boundaries of each responsibility are somewhat blurred. Whenever I have tried to get a problem looked at, it has been difficult to find out which council is responsible. Even a footpath is split between the three councils; ah that bit is the Town council but this part is CDC, however if it comes under 'Highways' it is GCC. What chance do we stand when they are all passing the buck. Perhaps it is time for a two tier system. Cut out CDC and enhance CTC to be more effective and have clear responsibilities. GCC can then deal with the overall responsibilities like Police & Fire, education and the major road networks etc. Then if CTC is not looking after our town, we know who to blame!
Essentially, with the three tier system, they all blame one another for not doing anything. The boundaries of each responsibility are somewhat blurred. Whenever I have tried to get a problem looked at, it has been difficult to find out which council is responsible. Even a footpath is split between the three councils; ah that bit is the Town council but this part is CDC, however if it comes under 'Highways' it is GCC. What chance do we stand when they are all passing the buck. Perhaps it is time for a two tier system. Cut out CDC and enhance CTC to be more effective and have clear responsibilities. GCC can then deal with the overall responsibilities like Police & Fire, education and the major road networks etc. Then if CTC is not looking after our town, we know who to blame! safetyaware
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

One final thought. It is a miracle that we get anyone to stand for our town council and we do need people to do the job. Unpaid,unloved,criti
cised for what they do by people like you at every turn. The reason I've never stood is because of people like you.
One final thought. It is a miracle that we get anyone to stand for our town council and we do need people to do the job. Unpaid,unloved,criti cised for what they do by people like you at every turn. The reason I've never stood is because of people like you. Rex Cooper
  • Score: -2

8:06pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Tony Curry stood and he lost his seat..... yet he is the one who gives his time and energy to tidy up our roundabouts... He also says it how it is, he is no bullshitter that's for sure! It just goes to show that the majority of people who vote have no idea what or who they are voting for. Let's hope he stands again, lets vote him in and lets see changes that will benefit our town... he is the only councilor ex or otherwise who is actually in touch with what this town needs and wants!
Tony Curry stood and he lost his seat..... yet he is the one who gives his time and energy to tidy up our roundabouts... He also says it how it is, he is no bullshitter that's for sure! It just goes to show that the majority of people who vote have no idea what or who they are voting for. Let's hope he stands again, lets vote him in and lets see changes that will benefit our town... he is the only councilor ex or otherwise who is actually in touch with what this town needs and wants! Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 5

8:41pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Rex Cooper says...

If you want to get elected - get a lawnmower !
If you want to get elected - get a lawnmower ! Rex Cooper
  • Score: -1

6:13am Mon 18 Aug 14

Olly Cromwell says...

Is that Tony Curry the Freemason who supported the decimation of Cirencester by voting for the car parking hikes?
Is that Tony Curry the Freemason who supported the decimation of Cirencester by voting for the car parking hikes? Olly Cromwell
  • Score: 0

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