Fox ripped apart in Cirencester inspires new campaign to muzzle hunt hounds

Wilts and Gloucestershire Standard: Peter Martin Peter Martin

A TETBURY man is spearheading a new campaign which he hopes will stop foxes being killed by hunting hounds.

Peter Martin was inspired to set up the campaign after a fox was torn to pieces in front of shocked residents in Chesterton, Cirencester, earlier this month, which he described as “repellent”.

Mr Martin said he hoped to work with hunts to introduce measures to reduce repeated incidents, including muzzling hounds from hunts and preventing hunts from going within 500 metres of towns and villages.

But hunt members have dismissed his proposals, claiming they are impractical and unnecessary.

Mr Martin said: “The repeated claims by hunts that they are trail hunting and that these horrific incidents are accidental are scarcely credible given the evidence of their activities and the all too clear results.

“It’s no longer acceptable for these people merely to apologise for their actions, but then continue doing the same, week-in, week-out.

“All hounds should be muzzled when out with the hunt. This point is essential as the public need to know that should the hunt have another accident, then at least no blood is shed.”

He also wants hunt packs limited to 12 and for pups to be trained for drag hunting as an alternative to fox scent.

Guy Dibble, of the Vale of the White Horse Hunt, dismissed the proposals as impractical, saying: “If they wear a muzzle and end up hunting a fox they corner, it could end up being bruised to death.

“We do not come into towns intentionally. If the hounds see something moving, they are going to go for it. Who is going to stop them?”

Mr Martin says he hopes to start his project by working with the Beaufort Hunt, based near Tetbury.

But Jo Aldridge of the Beaufort Hunt said: “There is absolutely no need for Mr Martin’s suggestions. The Hunting Act is confusing enough in itself without yet more voluntary codes.

“Hunting in Gloucestershire and indeed throughout the country has the most amazing support from our local communities and followers. From an estimated 18,000 days’ legal hunting per annum from the 186 registered packs of foxhounds, incidents if they ever occur are rare in the extreme.”

Charlotte Cooper, of the Countryside Alliance, said extra regulations were unnecessary as foxes are accidentally killed infrequently.

To find out more about Mr Martin’s campaign, e-mail tetburyprotocol@yahoo.co.uk

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3:39pm Fri 28 Feb 14

IknowIamright says...

I agree with Mr Martin........ there is no place for a pack of hounds in this day and age let alone the IDIOTS who hunt with them....wish we could muzzle them too!
I agree with Mr Martin........ there is no place for a pack of hounds in this day and age let alone the IDIOTS who hunt with them....wish we could muzzle them too! IknowIamright
  • Score: 24

11:22pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Quote - Guy Dibble, of the Vale of the White Horse Hunt, dismissed the proposals as impractical, saying: “If they wear a muzzle and end up hunting a fox they corner, it could end up being bruised to death"

No, you would rather the fox was ripped in to pieces than be given the chance of survival.

The sooner this disgusting, small man syndrome of killing innocent creatures is stopped the better.... What I would love to say to you all if I had the chance....
Quote - Guy Dibble, of the Vale of the White Horse Hunt, dismissed the proposals as impractical, saying: “If they wear a muzzle and end up hunting a fox they corner, it could end up being bruised to death" No, you would rather the fox was ripped in to pieces than be given the chance of survival. The sooner this disgusting, small man syndrome of killing innocent creatures is stopped the better.... What I would love to say to you all if I had the chance.... Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 22

12:20pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Geoff66 says...

Madness - so what about all of the lambs which are killed or maimed by people letting their dogs off the lead whilst they walk their dogs. Are we going to demand that they are muzzled too??

If you want to be totally ridiculous, how about insisting that all dog and cat owners make sure that their pets are wearing nappies, because i am fed up of seeing it festering on our streets, parks and gardens, yet alone on country paths. Now this makes much more sense that muzzling a few fox hounds
Madness - so what about all of the lambs which are killed or maimed by people letting their dogs off the lead whilst they walk their dogs. Are we going to demand that they are muzzled too?? If you want to be totally ridiculous, how about insisting that all dog and cat owners make sure that their pets are wearing nappies, because i am fed up of seeing it festering on our streets, parks and gardens, yet alone on country paths. Now this makes much more sense that muzzling a few fox hounds Geoff66
  • Score: -22

4:25pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Geoff66, How many lambs are killed or maimed each year by dogs let off their lead? I agree that it is wrong, all dogs should be on leads around wildlife if they pose a danger... but these pets are not trained to hunt down an innocent creature for fun by idiots who dress like dickheads on horses.

And Geoff66 you are obviously unaware that dog and cat poo does not chase after anything, hunt it down and then rip it's throat out. The only danger it poses is if you were to absorb it.... not very likely. All dog owners should clean up after their dog, it is disgusting to leave it, but you can not compare it to foxhunting.
Geoff66, How many lambs are killed or maimed each year by dogs let off their lead? I agree that it is wrong, all dogs should be on leads around wildlife if they pose a danger... but these pets are not trained to hunt down an innocent creature for fun by idiots who dress like dickheads on horses. And Geoff66 you are obviously unaware that dog and cat poo does not chase after anything, hunt it down and then rip it's throat out. The only danger it poses is if you were to absorb it.... not very likely. All dog owners should clean up after their dog, it is disgusting to leave it, but you can not compare it to foxhunting. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 24

5:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Geoff66 says...

Jessica Rabbit - well you wanted to know, it is a bigger problem than you think, so have a look at these :

- http://www.farmersgu
ardian.com/home/live
stock/sheep-worrying
-costs-farming-%C2%A
31m-annually/45586.a
rticle
- http://www.nationals
heep.org.uk/news-det
ail.php?NewsID=142
- http://www.fwi.co.uk
/articles/15/12/2013
/142513/dog-attack-l
eaves-11-sheep-dead.
htm

With regards dog fouling issues:
- http://www.bobw.co.u
k/Default.aspx?page=
legal%20position2598
4

The Countryside is open to all, not just irresponsible dog and pet owners !!
Jessica Rabbit - well you wanted to know, it is a bigger problem than you think, so have a look at these : - http://www.farmersgu ardian.com/home/live stock/sheep-worrying -costs-farming-%C2%A 31m-annually/45586.a rticle - http://www.nationals heep.org.uk/news-det ail.php?NewsID=142 - http://www.fwi.co.uk /articles/15/12/2013 /142513/dog-attack-l eaves-11-sheep-dead. htm With regards dog fouling issues: - http://www.bobw.co.u k/Default.aspx?page= legal%20position2598 4 The Countryside is open to all, not just irresponsible dog and pet owners !! Geoff66
  • Score: -5

5:43pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Geoff66 says...

Jessica Rabbit - well you wanted to know, it is a bigger problem than you think, so have a look at these :

- http://www.farmersgu
ardian.com/home/live
stock/sheep-worrying
-costs-farming-%C2%A
31m-annually/45586.a
rticle
- http://www.nationals
heep.org.uk/news-det
ail.php?NewsID=142
- http://www.fwi.co.uk
/articles/15/12/2013
/142513/dog-attack-l
eaves-11-sheep-dead.
htm

With regards dog fouling issues:
- http://www.bobw.co.u
k/Default.aspx?page=
legal%20position2598
4

The Countryside is open to all, not just irresponsible dog and pet owners !!
Jessica Rabbit - well you wanted to know, it is a bigger problem than you think, so have a look at these : - http://www.farmersgu ardian.com/home/live stock/sheep-worrying -costs-farming-%C2%A 31m-annually/45586.a rticle - http://www.nationals heep.org.uk/news-det ail.php?NewsID=142 - http://www.fwi.co.uk /articles/15/12/2013 /142513/dog-attack-l eaves-11-sheep-dead. htm With regards dog fouling issues: - http://www.bobw.co.u k/Default.aspx?page= legal%20position2598 4 The Countryside is open to all, not just irresponsible dog and pet owners !! Geoff66
  • Score: -7

8:32pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Oraacle says...

Domestic cats kill an estimated 55 million birds per year. Domestic cats serve absolutely no purpose other than satisfying the whims of their owners. Further, there is no need for them to roam outdoors at the expense of our wildlife - if they were kept inside, those birds would not die. So where's the furor? And crucially, does Peter Martin own a cat?

Different, you say? Not "intentional"? You own a cat. You let it out. It will kill, with your knowledge. That blood is on the hands of the cat-owner as much as a fox's blood may be on the hands of a posh git on a horse. So kindly get off your high horses, people (pun intended). Unless you muzzle your cat.
Domestic cats kill an estimated 55 million birds per year. Domestic cats serve absolutely no purpose other than satisfying the whims of their owners. Further, there is no need for them to roam outdoors at the expense of our wildlife - if they were kept inside, those birds would not die. So where's the furor? And crucially, does Peter Martin own a cat? Different, you say? Not "intentional"? You own a cat. You let it out. It will kill, with your knowledge. That blood is on the hands of the cat-owner as much as a fox's blood may be on the hands of a posh git on a horse. So kindly get off your high horses, people (pun intended). Unless you muzzle your cat. Oraacle
  • Score: -15

8:48pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Fair point Geoff66, I agree with you that dog owners should be responsible on both points raised but also I disagree with you that foxhunting is OK. You can not compare the two. We are talking about people who choose to dress up like idiots, parade around on horses and find it exciting to kill an animal. It is disgusting. Why can't these idiots have a normal 'hobby'??

And again, Oraacle... comparing human behaviour to that of a cat... jeez. We are not talking about nature and the circle of life, we are talking about humans killing and humans training dogs to kill.
Fair point Geoff66, I agree with you that dog owners should be responsible on both points raised but also I disagree with you that foxhunting is OK. You can not compare the two. We are talking about people who choose to dress up like idiots, parade around on horses and find it exciting to kill an animal. It is disgusting. Why can't these idiots have a normal 'hobby'?? And again, Oraacle... comparing human behaviour to that of a cat... jeez. We are not talking about nature and the circle of life, we are talking about humans killing and humans training dogs to kill. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 13

9:01pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Nebcop says...

What an idiot this guy is
What an idiot this guy is Nebcop
  • Score: -4

9:41pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Oraacle says...

Jessica, I think you miss the point. People own hounds that kill foxes. People own cats that kill birds (et al). Both doing so knowingly. In both cases the number of deaths involved in inconsequential to the overall population of the affected species.

The hound-owners are branded as vicious killers. The cat-owners joke about the "present" their little precious left in the kitchen.

I fear this entire debate is more driven by class warfare than animal welfare.

Nebcop, well put. I like your debating style.
Jessica, I think you miss the point. People own hounds that kill foxes. People own cats that kill birds (et al). Both doing so knowingly. In both cases the number of deaths involved in inconsequential to the overall population of the affected species. The hound-owners are branded as vicious killers. The cat-owners joke about the "present" their little precious left in the kitchen. I fear this entire debate is more driven by class warfare than animal welfare. Nebcop, well put. I like your debating style. Oraacle
  • Score: -9

8:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Robert Jeanes says...

........who dress like dickheads......?
Rather definitive that crude prejudice shows up as relevant to the subject matter. Anonymous, snide remarks like this are so telling.
At least here, "Jessica" has not, for once, been rude about members of a particular Political Party which 'she' regularly castigates on these pages.
........who dress like dickheads......? Rather definitive that crude prejudice shows up as relevant to the subject matter. Anonymous, snide remarks like this are so telling. At least here, "Jessica" has not, for once, been rude about members of a particular Political Party which 'she' regularly castigates on these pages. Robert Jeanes
  • Score: -13

12:57pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Get your fact rights Robert.... I have no political party to slate as I have no interest in any and get fed up with all the rubbish.... I think you will find I spend a lot of my time on here telling everyone else not to bring politics in to it! I have never been rude about anyone either... except fox hunters... who dress like idiots and are disgusting people.
Get your fact rights Robert.... I have no political party to slate as I have no interest in any and get fed up with all the rubbish.... I think you will find I spend a lot of my time on here telling everyone else not to bring politics in to it! I have never been rude about anyone either... except fox hunters... who dress like idiots and are disgusting people. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 11

2:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Robert Jeanes says...

Apologies Ms Rabbit ..... I have my files mixed up it seems.
I have put you into in to my Bigots and Fashion-Conscious files ......
An article on Idiots' Dress Code goes begging. I hope the Standard consults you ........
Apologies Ms Rabbit ..... I have my files mixed up it seems. I have put you into in to my Bigots and Fashion-Conscious files ...... An article on Idiots' Dress Code goes begging. I hope the Standard consults you ........ Robert Jeanes
  • Score: -8

3:42pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Jessica Rabbit says...

Well if they consult me then there will be many more in the queue for them to speak to who say far worse. I have not named or shamed anyone unlike many others on here who bring their personal debates in to every news article going. I have generalised fox hunters, I don't know any as I don't mix in the circle of blood thirst. I think you will find you have actually called me names.
Well if they consult me then there will be many more in the queue for them to speak to who say far worse. I have not named or shamed anyone unlike many others on here who bring their personal debates in to every news article going. I have generalised fox hunters, I don't know any as I don't mix in the circle of blood thirst. I think you will find you have actually called me names. Jessica Rabbit
  • Score: 11

4:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Robert Jeanes says...

The fox-hunting debate goes on. Always good copy for a newspaper particularly if it brings out comments. Alas the same arguments always are to the fore and they are always embellished with comments routinely trotted by people who simply have no intention of seeing an overall picture......The quarry, with traditional hunting, as a species benefits hugely.
Any reasonable debate is consigned to the wastebin the second anyone mentions "Toffs", their choice of clothing, and Blood ****.
You would never get me on a horse BTW but I have seen appalling cruelty. Daily it happens too. It cannot be monitored either. 'Unhunted' land is not protected. The shooting world's tally is breathtaking but you will never see an article about it. 'Dressed up Toffs' er, setting snares..... And, shooting foxes? Not emotive enough is it!
Given a vote 'Charlie' would know precisely with whom his best interests lie. After all he's been managed/mollycoddled for centuries by hunts particularly around here and certainly at Tetbury. Such is an unpalatable paradox.
The fox-hunting debate goes on. Always good copy for a newspaper particularly if it brings out comments. Alas the same arguments always are to the fore and they are always embellished with comments routinely trotted by people who simply have no intention of seeing an overall picture......The quarry, with traditional hunting, as a species benefits hugely. Any reasonable debate is consigned to the wastebin the second anyone mentions "Toffs", their choice of clothing, and Blood ****. You would never get me on a horse BTW but I have seen appalling cruelty. Daily it happens too. It cannot be monitored either. 'Unhunted' land is not protected. The shooting world's tally is breathtaking but you will never see an article about it. 'Dressed up Toffs' er, setting snares..... And, shooting foxes? Not emotive enough is it! Given a vote 'Charlie' would know precisely with whom his best interests lie. After all he's been managed/mollycoddled for centuries by hunts particularly around here and certainly at Tetbury. Such is an unpalatable paradox. Robert Jeanes
  • Score: -9

6:46am Wed 5 Mar 14

Alan Dickinson says...

"The quarry, with traditional hunting, as a species benefits hugely."

Delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations,
Treatment.
Psychotherapy for patients with delusional disorder can include cognitive therapy which is conducted with the use of empathy.
"The quarry, with traditional hunting, as a species benefits hugely." Delusional disorder is an uncommon psychiatric condition in which patients present with delusions, but with no accompanying prominent hallucinations, Treatment. Psychotherapy for patients with delusional disorder can include cognitive therapy which is conducted with the use of empathy. Alan Dickinson
  • Score: 9

9:54am Sat 8 Mar 14

falco says...

the easy way to stop lambs being bothered is by farmers having a couple of alpacas. these animals will see off foxes. I know of free range chicken companies who do this . When I've suggested this to farmers they say that they know best but I suspect that they love to have an animal to shoot. Really DEFRA should be advising sheep farmers to do this. You try and found out if mucking spreading is safe or whether there are often bTB bacteria in it? You would have thought they would have that covered but they don't. Fox Hunting is illegal and yet the police , backed by the fox hunting loving present Government, is a disgrace. I particularly loath the terrier men and their revolting activities which are the same as badger baiters. In fact, they are very likely men who do enjoy seeing animals torn apart by other animals.
the easy way to stop lambs being bothered is by farmers having a couple of alpacas. these animals will see off foxes. I know of free range chicken companies who do this . When I've suggested this to farmers they say that they know best but I suspect that they love to have an animal to shoot. Really DEFRA should be advising sheep farmers to do this. You try and found out if mucking spreading is safe or whether there are often bTB bacteria in it? You would have thought they would have that covered but they don't. Fox Hunting is illegal and yet the police , backed by the fox hunting loving present Government, is a disgrace. I particularly loath the terrier men and their revolting activities which are the same as badger baiters. In fact, they are very likely men who do enjoy seeing animals torn apart by other animals. falco
  • Score: 2

9:56am Mon 10 Mar 14

Oraacle says...

A simple question for the group. According to their website, the Beaufort Hunt is meeting 3 times this week, and the locations are published. If they are hunting foxes, wouldn't it be easy to get video evidence 3 times a week of that fact? Catching the evil bloodthirsty savages in the act would be rather compelling. Easier to yammer on here, I guess.
A simple question for the group. According to their website, the Beaufort Hunt is meeting 3 times this week, and the locations are published. If they are hunting foxes, wouldn't it be easy to get video evidence 3 times a week of that fact? Catching the evil bloodthirsty savages in the act would be rather compelling. Easier to yammer on here, I guess. Oraacle
  • Score: 0

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